Korotkov Konstantin Georgievich
doctor technical sciences
Treatises of ancient civilizations were written about the immortality of the soul, about its exit from an immobilized dead body, myths and canonical religious teachings were composed, but we would like to receive evidence by the methods of exact sciences. It seems that this was achieved by the St. Petersburg scientist . If his experimental data and the hypothesis built on their basis about the exit of the subtle body from the deceased physical are confirmed by the studies of other scientists, religion and science will finally converge on the fact that human life does not end with the last exhalation.
Konstantin Georgievich, what you have done is both incredible and natural at the same time. Any man of sense in one way or another believes, or at least secretly hopes, that his soul is immortal. “Does not believe in the immortality of the soul; - wrote Leo Tolstoy, - only one who has never seriously thought about death. However, science, which has replaced God for half of humanity, does not seem to give grounds for optimism. So the long-awaited breakthrough has been made: the light of eternal life has dawned before us at the end of the tunnel, which no one can escape?
I would refrain from such categorical statements. The experiments I conducted are rather an occasion for other researchers to find the threshold between the earthly existence of a person and the afterlife of the soul using precise methods. How one-sided is the crossing of this threshold? When is it possible to return? is not only a theoretical and philosophical question, but also a key one in the daily practice of resuscitators: it is extremely important for them to obtain a clear criterion for the transition of an organism beyond the threshold of earthly existence.
You have ventured with the goal of your experiments to answer a question that only theosophists, esotericists and mystics have puzzled before. What arsenal of modern science allowed you to pose the problem in such a form?
My experiments became possible thanks to a method created in Russia more than a century ago. It was forgotten, and in the 1920s it was revived again by inventors from Krasnodar, the Kirlians. In a high intensity electromagnetic field around a living object, whether green leaf or a finger, a radiant glow arises. Moreover, the characteristics of this glow directly depend on the energy state of the object. Around the finger of a healthy, cheerful person, the glow is bright and even. Any disorders of the body - which is fundamentally important, not only already identified, but also future, not yet manifested in organs and systems - break the luminous halo, deform it and make it dimmer. A special diagnostic direction in medicine has already been formed and recognized, which makes it possible to draw relevant conclusions about impending diseases based on heterogeneities, caverns and blackouts in a Kirlian image. The German doctor P. Mandel, having processed a huge statistical material, even created an atlas in which various features glow correspond to certain errors in the state of the organism.
So, twenty years of work with the Kirlian effect pushed me to the idea of seeing how the glow around living matter changes as it becomes inanimate.
Are you, like Academician Pavlov, who dictated his diary to his students? own death photographed the process of dying?
No, I acted differently: I began to study the bodies of people who had just died with the help of Kirlian photographs. An hour or three hours after death, the motionlessly fixed hand of the deceased was photographed hourly in a gas-discharge flash. Then the images were processed on a computer in order to determine the change in the parameters of interest over time. Shooting of each object was carried out from three to five days. The age of the deceased men and women ranged from 19 to 70 years, the nature of their death was different.
And this, no matter how strange it may seem to someone, was reflected in the pictures.
The set of obtained gas-discharge curves was naturally divided into three groups:
a) relatively small amplitude of oscillations of the curves;
b) also a small amplitude, but there is one well-defined peak;
c) a large amplitude of very long oscillations.
These are purely physical differences, and I would not mention them to you if the changes in parameters were not so clearly linked to the nature of the death of the photographed. And such a relationship among thanatologists - researchers of the process of dying of living organisms - has never been before.
Here is how the death of people from the three groups named above differed:
a) “calm”, natural death of an senile organism that has exhausted its life resource;
b) "abrupt" death - also natural, but still accidental: as a result of an accident, a blood clot, a craniocerebral injury, help arrived at the wrong time;
c) "unexpected" death, sudden, tragic, which, if circumstances were more fortunate, could have been avoided; suicides belong to this group.
Here it is, a completely new material for science: the nature of the departure from life is literally displayed on the instruments.
The most striking thing in the results obtained is that oscillatory processes, in which rises alternate with recessions for several hours, are characteristic of objects with active vital activity. And I took pictures of the dead.. So, there is no fundamental difference between the dead and the living in Kirlian photography! But then death itself is not a cliff, not an instantaneous event, but a process of gradual, slow transition.
- And how long does this transition take?
The fact of the matter is that the duration in different groups is also different:
a) “quiet” death revealed in my experiments fluctuations in the parameters of the glow over a period of 16 to 55 hours;
b) “abrupt” death leads to a visible jump either after 8 hours or at the end of the first day, and two days after death, the fluctuations go to the background level;
c) during "unexpected" death, the oscillations are the strongest and longest, their amplitude decreases from the beginning to the end of the experiment, the glow dims at the end of the first day and especially sharply at the end of the second; in addition, every evening after nine and until approximately two or three o'clock in the morning, bursts of luminescence intensity are observed.
- Well, just some kind of scientific and mystical thriller turns out: at night the dead come to life!
The legends and customs associated with the dead are receiving unexpected experimental confirmation.
Who would have known that it was abroad - a day after the onset of death, two days? But since these intervals are readable on my diagrams, it means that something corresponds to them.
- Have you somehow identified nine and forty days after death - especially significant intervals in Christianity?
I did not have the opportunity to make such lengthy experiments. But I am convinced that the period from three to 49 days after death is a responsible period for the soul of the deceased, marked by its separation from the body. Either she is traveling at this time between the two worlds, or the Higher Mind decides her future fate, or the soul goes through circles of ordeals - various creeds describe different nuances the same, apparently, process, which was displayed on our computers.
- So, the posthumous life of the soul is scientifically proven?
Do not misunderstand me. I obtained experimental data, used metrologically tested equipment, standardized methods, data processing was carried out at different stages by different operators, I took care of the evidence that meteorological conditions did not affect the operation of the instruments ... That is, I did everything in my power to a conscientious experimenter so that the results turned out to be maximum objective. Remaining within the framework of the Western scientific paradigm, in principle, I should avoid mentioning the soul or the separation of the astral body from the physical, these are concepts that are organic to the occult-mystical teachings of Eastern science. And although, as we remember, “the West is the West, and the East is the East, and they cannot come together”, but here they converge in my research. If we talk about the scientific proof of the afterlife, we will inevitably have to clarify whether we mean Western or Eastern science.
- Maybe just such studies are called upon to unite the two sciences?
We have every right to hope that this will eventually happen. Moreover, the ancient treatises of mankind on the transition from life to death fundamentally coincide with all traditional religions.
Since the living body and the body of the recently deceased are very close in terms of the characteristics of the gas discharge glow, it is not entirely clear what death is. At the same time, I specifically conducted a series of similar experiments with meat - both fresh and frozen. No fluctuations in the glow of these objects were noted. It turns out that the body of a person who died a few hours or days ago is much closer to a living body than to meat. Tell that to the pathologist, I think he'll be surprised.
As you can see, the energy-informational structure of a person is no less real than his material body. These two incarnations are interconnected during a person's life and break this connection after death not immediately, but gradually, according to certain laws. And if we recognize a motionless body with stopped breathing and heartbeat, an idle brain as dead, this does not mean at all that the astral body is dead.
Moreover, the separation of the astral and physical bodies is capable of somewhat diluting them in space.
- Well, we have already agreed to phantoms and ghosts.
What to do, in our conversation these are not folklore or mystical images, but a reality recorded by devices.
Are you hinting that the dead man lies on the table, and his flickering ghost walks around the house left by the deceased?
I am not hinting, but I am talking about this with the responsibility of a scientist and a direct participant in the experiments.
On the very first experimental night, I felt the presence of an entity. It turned out that for pathologists and mortuary orderlies this is a familiar reality.
Periodically going down to the basement to measure the parameters (namely, experiments were carried out there), on the first night I experienced an insane fit of fear. For me, a hunter and mountaineer hardened in extreme situations, fear is not the most typical condition. With an effort of will, I tried to overcome it. But in this case it didn't work. Fear subsided only with the onset of morning. And on the second night it was scary, and on the third, but with repetitions, the fear gradually weakened.
Analyzing the cause of my fear, I realized that it is objective. When, going down to the basement, I was heading towards the object of research, before reaching it, I clearly felt the eyes on me. Whose? There is no one in the room except for me and the dead man. Everyone feels the gaze directed at himself. Usually, turning around, he meets someone's eyes fixed on him. In this case, there was a look, but there were no eyes. Moving either closer to the gurney with the body, then further away from it, I empirically established that the source of the gaze is five to seven meters from the body. And every time I caught myself feeling that an invisible observer is here by right, and I - by my own will.
Typically, the work associated with periodic measurements required being near the body for about twenty minutes. During this time I was very tired, and the work itself could not cause this fatigue. Repeated sensations of the same kind prompted the idea of a natural loss of energy in the basement.
- The phantom sucked your energy?
Not only mine. The same thing happened to my assistants, which only confirmed the non-randomness of my sensations. Worse, the doctor of the experimental group, an experienced professional who had performed autopsies for many years, in our work touched a bone fragment, tore his glove, but did not notice the scratch, and the next day was taken away by an ambulance with blood poisoning.
What's with the sudden puncture? As he later admitted to me, for the first time the pathologist had to stay near the corpses for a long time, and at night. At night, fatigue is stronger, vigilance is weaker. But besides this, as we now reliably know, the activity of a dead body is higher, especially if it is a suicide.
True, I am not a supporter of the view that the dead suck energy from the living. Perhaps the process is not so straightforward. The body of the recently deceased is in a complex state of transition from life to death. There is still an unknown process of energy flowing from the body to another world. Getting another person into the zone of this energy process can be fraught with damage to his energy-information structure.
- Is that why they bury the dead?
In the funeral service, prayers for the soul of the newly deceased, in only kind words and thoughts about him, there is a deep meaning, to which rational science has not yet reached. A soul making a difficult transition should be helped. If we intrude into its possessions, even if it seems to us forgivable, research purposes, apparently, we expose ourselves to an unexplored, although intuitively guessed danger.
- And the unwillingness of the church to bury suicides in consecrated ground is confirmed by your research?
Yes, it is possible that those violent fluctuations in the first two days after the voluntary departure from life, which were recorded by our computers, calculating the Kirlian photographs of the suicide, provide a rational basis for this custom. After all, we still do not know anything about what then happens to the souls of the dead and how they interact with each other.
But our conclusion about the absence of a tangible boundary between life and death (according to the data of the experiments) allows us to assume the truth of the judgment that the soul after the death of the body continues in the afterlife the same fate of the same person living in a different reality.
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Life after death, or the afterlife, is a religious and philosophical idea of the continuation of a person's conscious life after death. In most cases, such ideas are due to the belief in the immortality of the soul, which is characteristic of most religious and religious-philosophical worldviews.
Among the main presentations:
- resurrection of the dead - people will be resurrected by God after death;
- reincarnation - the human soul returns to the material world in new incarnations;
- posthumous retribution - after death, the soul of a person goes to hell or heaven, depending on the earthly life of a person.
Doctors in the intensive care unit of a Canadian hospital registered an unusual case. They turned off the life support system in four terminal patients. In three of them, the brain behaved in a normal way - it stopped working shortly after the shutdown. In the fourth patient, the brain emitted waves for another 10 minutes and 38 seconds, despite the fact that the doctors declared him dead, using the same set of measures as in the cases of his “colleagues”. The brain of the fourth patient seemed to be in a deep sleep, although his body showed no signs of life - no pulse, no blood pressure, no reaction to light. Previously, brain waves were recorded in rats after decapitation, but in those situations there was only one wave.
Scientists from the University of Western Ontario, who studied data on hospital patients, also reported that although the death of each person is unique, but among the electroencephalograms taken from all four patients - within half an hour before death, and then during five minutes after it - there were certain similarities. What happened to the fourth patient, for what reason his brain lived for so long, is unknown, experts suggested that perhaps the technique had failed, but an examination of the equipment did not reveal any breakdowns. It is too early to talk about any life after death - the sample of one person is too small.
Sergey
These doctors are “reinventing the wheel” and seem not to have noticed that science has moved forward:
« modern science about death is a young branch of medicine, but it is progressing very quickly. Famous scientists give her their strength. Observations and research are carried out in scientific medical institutes and large hospitals. A number of serious scientific works have been published.
Science has begun to lift the veil over the most important thing - what awaits all of us after death. What the church used to know and tell us is now confirmed by science. The latest discoveries turned out to be - especially for the so-called unbelievers - completely unexpected, and not everyone knows about them.
A recently deceased person can sometimes be revived. Such people who went through temporary death spoke about their experiences during their stay "on the other side." They retained the ability to perceive the environment, could, for example, look at their dead body from the side, see how doctors and nurses are trying to bring it back to life, and could hear and understand their conversations, could move in space, observe events outside the room, where their body was located, events that were subsequently confirmed. Thus, it turned out that the person brought back to life retained the memory of what happened and later could tell about what he saw and heard when his body was dead.
The “personality”, or “soul”, does not die simultaneously with the body, but continues its independent existence from the body, while retaining the mind, sight, and hearing. If the deceased can be revived, the soul returns to the body.
One of the pioneers of this new branch of medicine is Dr. Raymond Moody. In November 1975, his book in English "Life after life" was published ... "What seemed implausible and unbelievable is written not only by spiritual and secular writers, but also by scientists, including doctors. Many verification studies have been published.
Dr. Moody collected a lot of material, systematized it and attracted the attention of serious scientific circles to it. Before him, Dr. E. Kublet-Ross from Chicago, even earlier - Carl Gustav Jung, Professor Voyno-Yasenetsky (Archbishop Luka), Dr. Georg Ritchie and other scientists. Later, Dr. Mikhail Sabom did a lot.
More than 25,000 cases of resuscitation of the recently deceased have been known. There are many more at present. The perceptions of people during their stay "on the other side" are recorded, systematized and many of them are verified ....Philip
I believe in all this unconditionally. my father was in a state of clinical death 8 times (he is a retired colonel, a member of the CPSU since 1940, an ardent atheist), and remember how our “great” minds responded to the article “Life after Life” published in the magazine “Spark”, it is interesting to know what is their opinion now?
Sergey
Remember, friends, after biological death, not a single person has yet returned back and no one has been revived, and clinical death does not apply to such, a person is essentially asleep. Don't fool people with your absurd comments! After real death there is nothing, darkness and eternity, alas!
Sergey
... Cases of temporary death with the exit of the soul from the body and return to it were known even before the work of contemporary resuscitators. From time to time they were described, but these reports were usually not believed, it seemed too strange what they testified to.
He then describes the rise, the vision of "ugly creatures" and the appearance of light ... brighter than the sun. "There is light everywhere and no shadows." The light was so bright that he could not see anything. “As in darkness. And suddenly, from above, authoritatively, but without anger, the words “Not ready” were heard, and a rapid downward movement began. He returned to the body. The guardian angel said: “You heard God's decision. Come in and get ready."
Both angels became invisible. There was a feeling of embarrassment and coldness and a deep sadness about the lost. "She is always with me." He lost consciousness and woke up in the ward on a bed.
Later, recalling the experience, Ikskul says: “I appeared in that new world the way I left the old one. The soul appears there in the degree of its development and maturity that it has reached in living together with the body."
Doctors who observed Ikskul reported that all clinical signs of death were present and the state of death lasted 36 hours.
K. Ikskul, who told about his experience, soon after the incident went to the monastery.Pavel
I was clinically dead. The doctors declared death and confirmed to my relatives that everything was over, but when another resuscitation crew arrived, my mother perceived the offer of a young resuscitator-doctor as an opportunity for me. He tried and everything he did I watched from above, as if there were no ceilings in the house and I was in the theater. I felt no pain, no discomfort, no unnecessary noise, only boundless calmness. I felt very comfortable. And suddenly there was a strong blow and it was as if I poured onto the ground from roars, with a strong rumble and whistle. The shaking upon landing was unusually strong. And suddenly I opened my eyes and saw a picture that I had already seen, but only from below. Immediately I realized that I was in a lot of pain, there was a strong whistle and rumble in my ears. I was shaking very badly, as I was injected with intravenous medicine. My heart was started with electric shock, and a tube was taken out of my throat through which oxygen was blown, as a result of which my larynx was damaged. The next day, I clearly understood that there is 100% life after death, and I had not a drop of doubt left.
Sergey
Sergei, who wrote: “after biological death, not a single person has yet returned back and no one has been revived.”
They revived and returned and often radically changed their way of life, having received important information for themselves.
The human brain dies 10 minutes after the heart stops and the oxygen supply to the brain is cut off. Do not confuse with lethargic sleep, when all human functions are functioning.
36 hours of death is essentially an irreversible process for the brain and coagulated blood, etc.
And remember the revived Lazarus, who was dead for 4 days. He already stinks, but with the Lord everything is possible. And he came to life and served as a bishop for many more years.
There are other cases, for example, in our days in the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra.
But no matter how many there were, the Lord said about the unbelievers, “If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, then if anyone rises from the dead, they won’t believe”jul
And how do you know if no one was revived after biological death? Theoretically, I can admit that you are right, but your statement is not logical, maybe. You are contradicting yourself. In addition, just as theoretically, I can admit that quantum physicists are also right, assuming that human energy is not destroyed, but is a constant (and probably retaining reasonableness) some kind of field.
Guest
I agree with you. Man is just a stupid monkey, without a soul, without a brain. A man was born and died just like an apple grew, fell, rotted and that's it. A person thinks that he is something special in this world, lives happily ever after without thinking about death, thinking that he is immortal. Then he dies, they buried him in the ground and that's it. Why then was he born? To live on earth, enjoy life, and then die in terrible agony? What about after death? Nothing. He was stupidly born, did not live long and disappeared. After all, this is a brainless monkey, with jelly in cages, thinking that she is something important. Such "monkeys", as a rule, live carelessly, hating each other, even fighting among themselves for an hour, looking for their place under the sun, even killing for this place. Unprincipled and soulless having lived a short, gloomy life (maybe in wealth, luxury, but for a short time), they die without understanding why they were born. So soulless monkeys would live in complete darkness. But Someone, the One Who does not want people to move into darkness and non-existence after death. And in many ways, This Someone informs those living on earth that there is life after death. And now it depends on a person whether to live as a monkey and fall into darkness after death, or to find the One Who gives Light and eternal life to his soul after physical death.
Orthodox Christian.Donchanin
Nicodemus
…Death is not what many imagine it to be. All of us at the hour of death will have to see and experience a lot for which we are not prepared ... For many, death is something like a dreamless sleep. I closed my eyes, fell asleep, and there was nothing else. Dark. Only the dream will end in the morning, and death is forever. Many are most afraid of the unknown: “What will happen to me?” So we try not to think about death. But somewhere in the depths there is always a sense of the inevitable and a vague anxiety. Each of us will have to cross this line…, - Bishop Alexander (Mileant)
If anyone is interested, you can read more here:Evgeniya
Once upon a time at the dawn of civilization, people believed that the Earth was flat and also fiercely defended their beliefs, up to burning those who dared to prove the sphericity of our planet.
The same is happening here and now. Humanity still knows very little about the structure of the universe, but this does not mean that what we do not know about does not exist.
By the way, brothers in mind, live according to the same laws of the universe as we do. It’s just that humanity still doesn’t even suspect about many of these laws - it hasn’t matured yet ...Yuri
Any comment is based on faith, knowledge and experience. And it is right. But as a researcher of antiquity and alternative oncology, I want to make a correction: the ancient hypotheses of eternity and life after death are based not on the physics of the body and brain, but on the immortality of the human soul, i.e. astral substance leaving the human body. Modern science and medicine is based on the manifest, i.e. in physics, scientists cannot observe beyond the observation of devices, and what devices fix ... .. only physics. Therefore, in the study of man, science does not go further than the body - they buried and forgot. In antiquity (India, China, Japan) went further. They tracked the astral, the immortality of the soul in the astral. By the way, the separation of the astral body from the physical body in a dying person can be delayed, it is possible to return the “torn off” astral. This is confirmed by practice, published, known to many, but is silent at the official level. They are accustomed to “burry” their good, and glorify foreign, sometimes bad, things. Read
Robert Monroe (USA): "Journey Out of the Body" (I don't give other titles of his books - only four). Thank you for your attention.Novel
Everything is simple, the Bible gives the exact answer to this question: 5 The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and there is no more reward for them, because the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love and hatred and jealousy are gone, and they will never have a share in anything that is done under the sun (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)
Diamond
The main law of nature: everything has a beginning, flowering and end. The universe itself is not eternal. Therefore, if the so-called "life after death" were allowed, it would also not be eternal. Otherwise, she would have to die later. It's just that every person really wants the soul of their loved ones to remain eternal after death, so they give out wishful thinking. This emphasizes the similarity of people with monkeys, they even continue to nurse their dead child, thinking that he continues to live. This is the stage of evolution: the first stage - living beings do not pay attention to the dead fellow tribesmen, the second stage - they believe in the continuation of the life of the body of the dead, the third stage - they believe in the continuation of the life of the soul after death, the fourth stage - continue to believe in the eternity of the universe, the fifth stage - contemplation with horror of the cessation of the expansion of the universe and the beginning of its catastrophically increasing contraction is the stage of self-critical awareness of one's previous delusions.
Sergey
I don’t know what will happen and how it will happen, I’ll tell you one case that happened to me at about 12 years old .. my father keeps an apiary and went on business to another city and asked me to be on duty during the day in case someone else comes to that place .. I went there by bike. I read a book for a long time, the day was clear, quiet, without wind. there is a bed in the beekeeper's house, I lay down and did not notice how I dozed off. And then the following happened, I still don’t know what it was, from the beginning I thought that it was all real and everything looked like a dream in the same place, since I heard the birds and the leaves rustled and the bees fly, the rumble stands, but after a while I realized that I can’t wake up, that is, in no way at all in this state, I opened my eyes and from the beginning it seemed to me that I was standing with my feet on the wall, it was strange and scary, because I understood that this was impossible, I analyzed how this could be and understood that it’s from the fact that I’m lying and I see a wall out of the corner of my eye and I’ll notice everything that in this state I couldn’t move my arms or legs, I tried to scream, but I realized that I can only do this mentally, as if it were only me who felt it, but on there was no sound. How long this state lasted, I don’t know, but it’s definitely a long time, since from the moment of the very beginning until I heard in this state that the car was driving, it took about 3-4 hours. all this time I couldn’t wake up and get up and it was scary that I wouldn’t be able to at all, but as soon as my father opened the door there was a feeling of a strong blow to the back of the head, as if something heavy hit and I, as expected, got to my feet and realized that I cold, that is, completely cold, the father was surprised that steam was coming from me at a street temperature of +26, I was wondering what it was, I started looking for information about something similar and found hundreds of similar cases of people with exactly the same description, you can read it all yourself. Someone says that it is as if the soul has left the physical body, someone that this is the brink of death and much, but these are all assumptions. The only thing that was clear to me was that the more a person is afraid, the more these feelings hold you back. A few years later, this happened again, but not for a long time, there was no more fear, and I woke up fairly quickly and there were no such physical sensations. And the second thing I understood is that in such a state you do not control the body, or rather, you seem to be not in it or it is not yours ... in one thing I am sure since then that nothing will end when a person dies because it will all be meaningless and rather of all consciousness or memory of life experience or stay on our planet will still exist early. . this is just my opinion and that's it.
Yuri
Sergey stated the situation correctly and intelligibly. The study of such cases allows you to get feedback, without which the researcher is not a researcher. He has the right not to believe, to call him a fashionable name - a charlatan. The fact is taken from practice.
This excerpt from a written report of a patient with AIDS (29 years old) was read out on June 23, 2007 at the Cinema House (Kyiv) in the presence of 760 people. For obvious reasons, I do not disclose the patient's first and last name.
“I floated somewhere up the tunnel, really feeling there, and not in bed. There were strange creatures around: pleasant and very unpleasant. There was a meeting and conversation with the deceased dad, whom I loved very much. Somehow, I knew that this was a different world. That I feel it, I enter it. I knew mentally that I was dying. The body did not resist and, as it were, confirmed this. I felt calm, saw the gentle flickering of light. As I neared the end of the tunnel, the light became bright. When my mother heard the conclusion from the arriving doctors. She began to look for (I remove the initials), with whom we were previously familiar. She brought a mobile phone to my ear and I heard: “I will not let you go, do you hear! I'm holding you. Look forward to the evening."
In the evening, he again worked for me, but the next day I began to “fly away” again. The conclusion of the doctors, according to my mother, this time was already in hours. And this time (initials) did not let me “fly away” ... The year 2007 is coming. I am alive and working. I have enough cells (MF - 4) necessary for life.
Each such fact is of great value for a researcher - a parapsychologist engaged in the field of health, but more for the state. Distancing scientific medicine from nature is a strategic mistake of civilization.
Thank you for your attention!-
Sergey
I think it’s a little wrong question, it doesn’t die more slowly, everything happens the same way ... the thought comes about the fact that you realize everything at once, either the soul or the body, or all together does not understand that it’s all and clings to life, and therefore it all looks like it’s not in vain always for thousands of years it was believed that the person left after 40 days extreme point on earth, even in ancient Mayan books, this was mentioned if I'm not mistaken ..
Zoya
My husband died in the hospital. He had been in bed for 3 days already. His heart ached. In recent years, he had to lie down often and I always came to see him mostly twice a day (morning and evening). My last visit to him (how to know earlier) was short, very short. We agreed that I would come to him in a day. When I left, I was terribly drawn to return to him. I tried to return twice, but overcame myself. I reassured him that he was in the hospital and everything would be fine. The next day, for the first time in my life, I did not go to him. my condition was incomprehensible. There was a heavy feeling, it was hard to breathe, I could not talk. I didn’t go from work, but I moved my legs by force and didn’t want to go home. I paid attention to this. Night. the dog jumped up, began to rush about. I was at home alone. The time was 1 hour 30 minutes at night. open door in a nightgown on December 1. And suddenly .... there was a cry next to me ... heavy, inhuman, uttered with some kind of effort. The cry seemed to split on my shoulder ... There was no one around, only falling snow. I don’t understand what it was. I opened the door again ... silence. It became scary, I didn’t wait for the dog. I closed the door and at that time I heard a voice again, only as if floating away towards the city (we live 5 km from the city). It became creepy, I ran away. I lay down. I fell asleep with difficulty and had a dream. My husband showed me to the people who were going to kill him. He ran up the high stairs rising to the heights. was unconscious and brought back to life. He couldn’t just leave without warning me (we loved each other). And when he was unconscious, his soul flew to me, even screamed. Only I didn’t understand then. to him and perhaps he would have been alive, knowing that I was nearby. Someone shouted, although it didn’t look like a scream ... More like a roll of thunder. On the 40th day I saw him, he said goodbye to me. And I knew that it was him, I was not afraid. Up to a year, he came to visit me. from afar. I could tell a lot. But now I confirm that there is something after death ....
Tatyana
and my husband was in intensive care. And now I dream in the morning at 05 o'clock that we are together and kissing. So we kissed for a long time and suddenly began to move away. I still think where he went?. And in the morning they called me from the hospital, they said that he died around 09.00 / How can my brain know that he is dead. I hoped he would live.
Tatyana
and my husband was in intensive care. And now I dream in the morning at 05 o'clock that we are together and kissing. So we kissed for a long time and suddenly began to move away. I still think where he went?. And in the morning they called me from the hospital, they said that he died around 09.00 / How can my brain know that he will die? . I hoped he would live.
Okswell
This is the same as proving that all hard drives in computers go to another world after death. Stupidity. For the life of neurons in the brain, the energy produced by the body is needed. Failure of the body, oxygen is not supplied to the brain, neural connections begin to rapidly collapse. The brain cells are dying. It's like broken clusters on a hard drive, you can never recover information from a dead neuron. And now… a man died… 10 minutes death… 20…. and that's it... cookies. The brain cells are dead. Clusters are all broken…. And for me there are several ways. Invent chips embedded in the brain and data keepers. The body got sick .. died ... the hops overwrote all the information from the old body to the new one. After all, in fact, a person's personality is his memories. And then here's your second life :) and 3rd and 20th and immortality. But here now 100,500 people will come running and will crackle about morality and ethics .. but where are we going to take a new body, then ??? So you can record you in the virtual world on your computer. And then the question arises ... maybe we already live in such a world? In short... I'm waiting for darkness and oblivion after death. So I want to leave something good of myself in this world and live my life fruitfully. And you continue to beat on the b floor in temples, hoping for a better life after death .. good luck to you :)
Sergey
Everything you say is correct, only one thing, but ... no one said that after death it is this body and this brain that died that needs to be restored, it is impossible after 7 minutes of clinical death, but again there are cases of exceptions to the rules, for example, a person fell through the ice drowned and was under water for 43 minutes they got him resuscitated and he survived the doctors said that he could neither walk nor eat anything himself, but he got up and went home on his own and perfectly understood and did and said everything himself .. not everything can be proved by physics and science . Take for example space there, similarly, not everything is physical, it is also other components, this is time and space that no one can ever imagine physically and cannot realize its size .. As an option, I advise you to look at the film White Noise 1 and 2 and the film Ghost with Patrick Sweezy is people's thoughts on this topic presented in the movie. One very old philosopher said that only a fool can not believe in anything ...
Liudmila
And what about the body? the body is just a garment that we throw off when it no longer fits. There is something else - the individual soul. If it didn't exist, and if we only lived once, then nothing would make sense. But in the universe, nothing just happens. The soul moves into other bodies if it has not yet learned its lessons, or flies away to higher spheres if it has evolved enough for that. The purpose of life is the evolution of the individual soul. And the salvation of the soul is not to be reincarnated again and again, because life in you is a kind of hell.
Author
@ : It is undesirable to try to “think” for computers: modern analogue technologies are already being used (unofficially), and AI (Artificial Intelligence) is already translating better people(and writes poetry, and draws, and composes prose, and ..., ..., ... - and, of course, he counts incomparably better.) - although the bodies, so far, have not yet been selected for him (officially) ... Author
Shuhrat
They will ask you about the spirit, Say: "The spirit is from the command of my Lord, and you have been given to know very little about it." (85)
It follows from this revelation that it is better to refrain from asking if a person intends to find fault with the one to whom he asks the question, or to expose him to ignorance. One should not leave important questions and ask about the soul, the knowledge of which is hidden from people. No man is able to describe the soul or its essence. And this is not necessary, especially since many people are deprived of the knowledge that all creation needs.
That is why Allah commanded his Messenger to tell those who question him about the soul that the soul is one of the many creations that came into being by the will of Allah. Knowledge about the intricacies of the soul will not bring people much benefit, especially since people do not know about other more important things. From all that has been said, it follows that if a person considers it expedient not to answer the question asked, then he should do as he sees fit, and point out to the questioner what he needs more and what can bring him more benefit.
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margarita
I know that I will die, And I do not need any life after death. Death is the normal end of all affairs on earth. May the next generation live. and I will also be a little in them. This is what will remain after my death. And nature will recycle my physical body and I will turn into a new young grass. Sorry to distract you a bit from your forum.
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Sergey
Anyone will cling to life, even if sick or healthy, because when a person dies, I don’t think that he knows what is happening and why exactly, and when he realizes everything then either leaves or stays, let’s wait and see, as they say, everyone will be there. And if you don’t believe me, look on the Internet for a video program or a book by a scientist who studied all this and agreed with his wife that if one of them dies first, tell her if there is something there, he died first and, according to an agreement with his wife, he told her phrases that he could not know no one else, only she ... a few years later she went to pseudo-mediums to contact her husband, but everyone was charlatans and just talking nonsense, and when she had almost lost hope, one old man who treated people said to her exactly what her husband said word for word there was no way he could have known this… this is not a fantasy story, but real events.
Sergey
The skeptic might make a final argument: "Could it be that 'I' is the brain?"
The tale that our Consciousness is the activity of the brain was heard by many at school. The notion that the brain is essentially a person with his “I” is extremely widespread. Most people think that it is the brain that receives information from the surrounding world, processes it and decides how to act in each specific case, they think that it is the brain that makes us alive, gives us personality. And the body is nothing more than a spacesuit that ensures the activity of the central nervous system.
But this tale has nothing to do with science. The brain is now deeply studied. Long and well studied chemical composition, parts of the brain, connections of these parts with human functions. The brain organization of perception, attention, memory, and speech has been studied. The functional blocks of the brain have been studied. A large number of clinics and scientific centers have been studying the human brain for more than a hundred years, for which expensive, efficient equipment has been developed. But, having opened any textbooks, monographs, scientific journals in neurophysiology or neuropsychology, you will not find scientific data on the connection of the brain with Consciousness.
Of course, materialistic scientists have always wanted this. Thousands of studies and millions of experiments were carried out, many billions of dollars were spent on this. The efforts of scientists were not in vain. Thanks to these studies, the parts of the brain themselves were discovered and studied, their connection with physiological processes was established, a lot was done to understand4
neurophysiological processes and phenomena, but the most important thing could not be done. It was not possible to find in the brain the place that is our "I". Even despite the extremely active work in this direction, it was not possible
The authoritative scientist, Professor of Moscow State University Nikolai Kobozev in his monograph showed that neither cells, nor molecules, nor even atoms can be responsible for the processes of thinking and memory.
There is an interesting and convincing proof of the lack of connection between Consciousness and the work of the brain, understandable even to people who are far from science.
Suppose that "I" (Consciousness) is the result of the work of the brain. As neurophysiologists know for sure, a person can live even with one hemisphere of the brain. At the same time, he will have Consciousness. A person who lives only with the right hemisphere of the brain certainly has an "I" (Consciousness). Accordingly, we can conclude that the "I" is not in the left, absent, hemisphere. A person with a single functioning left hemisphere also has a "I", therefore "I" is not located in the right hemisphere, which is absent in this person. Consciousness remains regardless of which hemisphere is removed. This means that a person does not have a brain area responsible for Consciousness, neither in the left nor in the right hemisphere of the brain. We have to conclude that the presence of consciousness in a person is not associated with certain areas of the brain.Sergey
Professor, MD Voino-Yasenetsky describes: “In a young wounded man, I opened a huge abscess (about 50 cubic cm, pus), which undoubtedly destroyed the entire left frontal lobe, and I did not observe any mental defects after this operation. I can say the same about another patient operated on for a huge cyst of the meninges. With a wide opening of the skull, I was surprised to see that almost the entire right half of it was empty, and the entire left hemisphere of the brain was compressed, almost impossible to distinguish it.
The fact that consciousness exists independently of the brain is also confirmed by recent studies by Dutch physiologists under the direction of Pim van Lommel. The results of the experiment were published in the most authoritative English biological journal The Lancet. “Consciousness exists even after the brain has ceased to function. In other words, Consciousness “lives” by itself, absolutely independently. As for the brain, it is not a thinking matter at all, but an organ, like any other, that performs strictly defined functions. It is very possible that thinking matter, even in principle, does not exist in a person, said the head of the study, the famous scientist Pim van Lommel.
Another argument accessible to the understanding of non-specialists is given by Professor V.F. Voyno-Yasenetsky: “In the wars of ants that do not have a brain, deliberateness is clearly revealed, and therefore rationality, which is no different from human.” It's really amazing fact. Ants decide pretty challenging tasks on survival, housing construction, self-sufficiency, i.e. possess6 25.09.2015 13:43 25.09.2015 20:09
a certain intelligence, but have no brain at all. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Having come to the understanding that there is no Consciousness inside the body, science draws natural conclusions about the non-material nature of consciousness.
Academician P.K. Anokhin: “None of the “mental” operations that we attribute to the “mind” have so far been directly linked to any part of the brain. ...isn't it more logical to think that the psyche is not at all essentially a function of the brain, but is a manifestation of some other - non-material spiritual forces?
According to Eccles, neither physiology nor the theory of evolution can shed light on the origin and nature of consciousness, which is absolutely alien to all material processes in the universe. The spiritual world of a person and the world of physical realities, including the activity of the brain, are completely independent independent worlds that only interact and to some extent influence each other. He is echoed by such prominent experts as Carl Lashley (an American scientist, director of the primate biology laboratory in Orange Park (Florida), who studied the mechanisms of the brain) and Edward Tolman, doctor of Harvard University.
With his colleague Wilder Penfield, the founder of modern neurosurgery, who performed over 10,000 brain surgeries, Eccles wrote the book The Mystery of Man.Sergey
In it, the authors explicitly state that "there is no doubt that a person is controlled by SOMETHING outside his body." “I can confirm experimentally,” writes Eccles, “that the workings of consciousness cannot be explained by the functioning of the brain. Consciousness exists independently of it from the outside.
Academician of the Academy of Medical Sciences of the Russian Federation, Director of the Research Institute of the Brain (RAMS RF), world-famous neurophysiologist, professor, MD Natalya Petrovna Bekhtereva: “The brain can generate only the simplest thoughts like how to turn the pages the book you read or stir sugar in a glass. And the creative process is a manifestation of a completely new quality.”
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He said that another car ran into them at the intersection. “I heard the side of the car cracking, and then there was one moment, as if I was moving in the dark, in some closed space from all sides. It all lasted only one moment, and then I suddenly - well, sort of hovered two meters above the road, four meters from the car, and I heard a weakening echo from the roar of a collision. It faded away."
Then he saw people running and crowding around the car, saw his friend getting out of the car and shocked, saw in broken car his own body, covered in blood and with twisted legs. Watched people trying to free his body. He was brought back to life and later recounted this experience...
The phenomena described above and the very concept of clinical death can sometimes cause distrust. After my report, I was sometimes objected: "If a person came to life after clinical death, then it was not death."
How to understand such an objection? The point is not how to call such a state - "clinical death" or "near death", as Moody calls it, but in the very existence of this amazing phenomenon, when some part of a person leaves his body and is able to observe the body and everything its surrounding from the side. This alone shows that conscious life can continue regardless of the physical body and even without it at all.
The denial of this phenomenon speaks of a person’s unwillingness to understand and allow it into his consciousness, and he finds the verbal formula “it means that it was not death”, which relieves him of the need to accept something that violates his comfortable worldview. This subconscious blocking mechanism is well known to psychologists.Author
@ : 1. "Everyone who talks about the delights of the afterlife," for some reason "does not strive to realize their potential - in getting into it ahead of time." ;
2. “Heaven and Hell, with a certain consideration, are just Poles — manifestations of the “human”: is there a Necessity — to know the Extremes, not being able to independently adhere to the Golden Mean? (!!!)" ;
3. The ancients said: "ALL Troubles are from stupidity." - if we take into account the speed of development of progress, and the total number of educated people (including Idealistic-Religious), and the growth rate of the population of the planet, and the incremental rate of increase in troubles - ... Author
Gennady
But who argues that in matters of life and death, “soul” and body, and in general about everything that concerns the emergence and existence of the universe, and, in particular, the Earth, biological life on it, and especially the intelligent mass of the unknown. Till. And most likely for a long time to come. But all religions are built on these inexplicable examples, which do not explain anything, but only offer their own options for leading the world with specific “gods”, who supposedly set certain standards of behavior for people, promising those who observe these standards comfort in the afterlife. And an atheist is not one who rejects life after life, but an opponent of the institution of the church.
Sergey
Atheism, violently militant against the One Whom it declares non-existent, poses a certain riddle. If there is no God, why hate Him so much? Atheists often say that the God of the Bible is no more real than Zeus or Osiris, but their total indifference to Zeus and Osiris shows that this is not the case.
As in the old joke about atheistic education in the Soviet school:
"- Children! There is no god! Let's show a fig in the window!
Why don't you show?
- Well ... If there is no God, then to whom to show a fig, and if He exists, why spoil relations with Him?
Yuri
Yuri: Life after death interested me from my youth. I read a lot. but still there was no information that can be read now on the Internet or received from like-minded people in numerous forums. I remember I managed to get the book Life after death Author Dr. Moody USA. In the process of starting to read this book, many strange things happened to me that I have been trying to figure out for myself for many years. The further I delve into these oddities, the more new mysteries and discoveries I have. Help me understand my many discoveries. I'll start with how I started reading this book. When I opened this book for the first time and did not have time to read two lines, I suddenly fell asleep. And so it happened every time, with every desire to delve into the content of this book. I had thoughts that I get tired after work and therefore immediately fall asleep after I start reading. I accidentally drew my attention to the fact that when I read technical literature and detective stories, this does not happen to me. I had to think seriously, turn on my brain to the fullest, and strange unusual phenomena and discoveries began to open up for me. I have had many of them over the years. You can't tell everything right away. I will post them on this site from time to time. When I gradually penetrated the secrets of the universe, I managed to read this book. But in order to do this, I had to perform a number of actions. Knowledge and discoveries were given to me as I was ready to accept this knowledge.
Sergey
I will say one thing, we all come out of death and return to it. Do you remember what happened 150 years ago? no right. Because you were dead. So after death you will fall into the same state. So I think everyone knows what will happen after her.
Sergey
And about religions, etc. I will tell you. Religion was created as a counter to the fear of death and the manipulation of people. About the bible and other sources. Ask yourself: who wrote it? Answer: human. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice their single life in the war, and at that time there were quite a few of them. What to do so that a person goes into battle, gives his life and is not afraid. Answer: let's write to him that after death there is life much better. I want to ask you all, do you really believe all people? especially since they write to you. I don't think it's worth continuing.
Sergey
Yes, it is a pity that Lenin and Stalin did not think of forcing their Red Army soldiers to read the Bible.
Yes, there have always been wars, and they all fought well: both believers and non-believers, both literate and illiterate people.
Only now, after all, no one imposes faith on anyone, and no one forcibly pulls anyone into churches, and they don’t meet anyone there with open arms, and they don’t demand money from anyone there. Only those who understand that they need it go there.
To believe or not to believe people? When there are lies all around and it's hard to believe even yourself?
Our life is not as one-sided in this sense as it seems.
There were and are people who do not lie and even guard their thoughts from lies. It's hard to believe?
To understand these people and understand all this, you just need to plunge into the Unknown World of Orthodoxy.
Then spiritual vision will open, you will gain wisdom, you will know the Truth, doubts will disappear and the soul will return from wanderings to the Motherland.
Sergey
4. and that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures,
5. and that Cephas appeared, then the twelve;
6. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, and some have fallen asleep;
7. then he appeared to James, also to all the Apostles ...
(First Corinthians 15:4-7)Ludmila
Hello good people! My very pious grandmother died and came to me in a dream on the 9th day and said that worms eat her face. On the 40th day she came in a dream and was all glowing, she said that she had come to say goodbye. We kissed and she disappeared. And when she died in the hospital, she came to my aunt in a dream, pulled out a pillow from under her and said when you will take me away from here. On the morning of the same day, we went to the morgue to pick her up.
When my mother, also a believing Orthodox person, died, on the eve of parental day, in Orthodoxy there is such a holiday, looking at her photo, I asked: “When will you come to me and tell me how it is for you?” On the same night in the morning, in a thin dream (when a person has such a state - either you sleep, or you don’t sleep), I lay, turning away from the wall, I felt that someone was lying with me. I thought who it could be, because I live alone. I turned and saw my mother. I thought that if I rebaptize her and she does not leave, then this is really a mother. I did so. Mom didn't leave. We had such a dialogue. I asked her why she didn't come to me for so long. She replied that there were no keys. And after her death, I put a new metal door, protection from unwanted "guests". I answered her that I would give the keys, but she said that she would not take it, because they should not often come to the living, because those who should not come to us can come to us along this open path. Then I asked how she lives there, she replied: “Thank God!” I asked her to tell me how life is there, she told me about it for a long time, but I didn’t understand a word! Then she said that she had to leave and needed to say goodbye. We hugged and she disappeared. After that, I only dream about her. We never had such a meeting again. Believe it or not. Regardless of our perception and concepts, GOD EXISTS! Glory to HIM for this!Liudmila
But in the universe, nothing just happens. The soul moves into other bodies if it has not yet learned its lessons, or flies away to the higher realms if it has evolved enough to do so. The purpose of life is the evolution of the individual soul. And the salvation of the soul is not to be reincarnated again and again, because life in you is a kind of hell.
Olyusia
My first husband died. I dreamed for a very long time after death, I always came in a dream sad with a sense of guilt (half a year before his death we no longer lived together) I met another man, then I got married and gave birth to a daughter on the day (day and month) when he died and after this he did not come more in dreams!
Lydia
I experienced clinical death at an early age. I saw my body from above in a hospital bed. I felt someone nearby. Realizing that I was dying, I prayed: I have not seen anything in my life! I was heard. I returned to my body, to the surprise of the doctors. During her life, she went into the astral plane several times, flew over the city, even "flyed" into someone else's apartment. I sat on the windowsill of the 5th floor, outside. I dream bright strange dreams about UFOs, Angels and Demons, Waking up she saw cigar-shaped UFOs three times. I read that some people die in morgues during autopsies. This does not indicate an increase in mortality, but the low qualification of resuscitators.
Vladimir
One well-known Moscow writer told me during his lifetime how he was dying.
After an evening feast, I visited a friend of the artist. He was busy in another room of the workshop, washing brushes. On the window was a pint of vodka with half the contents.
He asked his friend if he had something to hangover while unscrewing the cork and throwing the neck. He replied that there is, but just don’t take a bottle on the window - it contains dichloroethane. But it was already too late. The liquid burned the insides and then it began.
The writer saw his body writhing on the floor, and he himself saw it from above. Then everything is like in a movie - his friend, the artist, rushing around the apartment in horror and calling an ambulance, then him with a kettle of water, which he tried to pour into the throat of the writer, screaming, I told you not to drink from the bottle on the window. Etc. and then, the writer said, it suddenly dawned on me that I had died. And it was unusual. There was no fear, but there was some kind of feeling that everything was wrong. Unnaturalness and feelings of guilt, mistakes of something.
There is life after death. Scientists proved this purely mathematically, weighing the body on atomic scales at the moment of the exit of the soul from the body of a dying person. Its approximate weight was about 50 grams. That is how much the dead body became lighter at the time of death. It's not about whether there is life after death or not. Today, this is no longer relevant. There is life after death. The question is different. What is it like for everyone leaving this world, and where does the immortal soul go after it leaves its body? The answers to this are provided by our Orthodox Church. Explore, read holy scripture and patristic literature. Secular research or study by scientific methods is only a practice that confirms a theory, or rather the truth that has already been told to us aloud many times.ern
I was 17 years old, I had read Lit. on self-hypnosis and took up practice. According to the described method, harnessing the rhythm of breathing and self-concentration of the inner gaze in the heart ... .. I don’t remember how, but I turned off. I was training kung fu at that time, and I couldn’t kick in the jump yoko mawashi), so I don’t remember how I passed out, but the noise in my ears (like when you dive under water), and a failure into ... emptiness.
And here in the sparring of two kung fuists. I see them from the side, one of which performs a jump, and here I am in his body, I feel every muscle, every movement of a fighter.
When I woke up, I was able to successfully repeat everything (at the HIGHEST level of skill)
I continued this practice of self-hypnosis every day, and now .. having failed (but not as usual, but at some 3-5 levels deeper .... - there is nothing, but I hear some kind of female voice - YOU DIED. I'm already in the body ..., noticing that I can’t move, and that I’m not breathing .. and that my heart has stopped beating ..- I’m HORRIBLE, then a voice told me to say ......
I can’t say and mentally .., but by some kind of non-human effort, I somehow did the thoughts indicated to me ... and just as quickly rose ... from .. to 3, then to 2 ... levels and left the state.
AND STOP DOING IT!Alla
And I visited the meeting of the apostles of the Lord God. It was a long time ago, 1990. I already had a son and a little daughter. The son fell ill (hyperkinesis). And he was prescribed some terrible pills and I didn’t want to give them to him and I was very worried about this, I just can’t convey it. And there was no one next to me who could share these sufferings with me. As always, I put the children to bed and went to bed next to my son, fell asleep. And so I open my eyes and stand as if in a little wall, but everything around seems to be from a dense fog. There is a long table and 12 apostles are sitting behind it, also as if from a dense fog, but the faces are clearer and they can be seen. And the most important (I thought so because he was sitting on the back) he asks about me: why does this soul suffer so much? And one apostle told my situation and they began to discuss it among themselves. And now, as it were, I again came to my senses already flying through the night sky, but my physical body was not with me, and I was somehow light. And I thought how quickly I was flying, but I was not cold at all. And when I thought how I would stop, I just stopped right away and began to go down and suddenly I saw a store near our house from above. I recognized him and our house and flew in without any obstacle, going straight through the house, so to speak, and already opened my eyes on my bed and looked at my body, it was already as before, that is, physical. Until the morning I was impressed. From that moment I became somehow capable of medicine. It occurred to me to buy some valerian and give it for half a year and much more. I just felt like someone was messing with me through life and helping me. Thanks everyone higher powers and the most important.
Elena
I experienced either clinical death, or something very similar in 1989. Based on personal experience, I can confirm that life never ends. There is no doubt about it. There is unconditional Love, Eternity and Awareness. Probably, this is only the first moment of a different existence, but then the soul usually either loses contact with the body or returns. Mine came back after I saw in a very fast newsreel my whole life with a parallel awareness of causal delusions. Came back to fix it. For which I am grateful to the one who brought me back. Happy everyone!
Vadim
For a certain period in my life, I practiced exits from the body. I affirm that the soul exists. Exactly as a “clot” of energy-informational substance. “Vision” of material objects is perceived as on an x-ray, only volumetrically. Much more that is hidden from us in ordinary material world. God also exists as an energy-information field structure of outer space. Religions are not based on an empty place. Commandments are given for a reason.
yuvk
Death is actually a point of no return, and having died, you can no longer go back - clinical death is just a concept of a state close to death, BUT! I repeat, this is not death yet - therefore, it is impossible to say with certainty that after death something is impossible - as always there are two options or there are or not and no one can say anything unambiguously here - you can only philosophize on this topic. Assuming that something is necessary there immediately ask the question WHY? - nature is rational and there is nothing that would exist just like that - and since there is no longer a body, then there is no question of procreation, those functions are fulfilled - only the function of thinking for an infinite time remains - and this is already worse than non-existence - and most likely death is the end of everything.
Alex
Pity those who reject God. He warned what would happen at the end of this world in Matthew chapter 24. Read it and look around NOW, and then compare and think about His words - maybe the Lord will reveal something to you, by His mercy ...
Alex
My friend has been in a state of clinical death for more than 30 minutes. There was heavy bleeding in the stomach and the pressure dropped below 40. The doctors could not put a drip - the veins stuck together. He saw and heard all the actions of doctors from above. In the end, they found the most experienced doctor who offered to inject adrenaline intramuscularly. It turns out this causes hellish pain-shock. So, as soon as they gave him an injection, he suddenly woke up in his body and screamed in pain. A pulse appeared and they were able to put him on a drip. I heard the story from his lips personally. The man is still alive and does not seem to be going to die. Earlier, my wife's uncle told me such a story, he also said that his eyes were on the ceiling and he saw everything. But, he was in a coma for only 5 minutes. He also spoke of a bright light descending from above. All this is not fictional evidence of the presence of the soul and the exit of the body at the time of death. And who does not believe, well, to each his own.
margarita
Highly interesting topic affected. I, as an Orthodox person, unconditionally believe that the afterlife exists. There were many proofs of this in my life. Now you can't tell everything. I want to tell you about one case when my mother-in-law died, I ordered mass for her in the church from the 9th to the 40th day. We celebrated the 40th day, but I think it’s interesting whether prayers helped her or not, how to find out? And then, soon, I see a dream: it’s night outside, it’s dark and only the light from the windows of the house reflects the path along which she walks to the house, climbs the porch, sits on the bench, looks at me and says: “I’m alive! Live! I feel very well!" And she herself smiles with such a calm smile, a blush all over her cheek, so happy! The dream was like in reality, I was even a little scared, because when I saw her, I immediately remembered that she had died, and she, apparently reading my thoughts, immediately answered that she was alive. She sat on the bench for a minute and left.
margarita
I will immediately describe another dream that I remember for the rest of my life. It was back in the 90s, my father died and I began to go to the temple, ordered masses for his repose. According to all the rules of church law, I submitted a note with the names of the dead to the memorial service, put a candle and stood by myself in the service to the end. And one day I stand near the canon and watch how the parishioners put all kinds of food on the dish that stands on the canon, and I think, why am I not putting anything? Then I was just starting to go to the temple and did not know much. I rummaged in my pockets and found a small candy, slowly put it on a dish so that no one would see my modest offering (people put a lot), stood a little longer and left without waiting for a memorial service, because at that time I was in a hurry somewhere. And at night I had a dream, as if I were entering some kind of house, consisting of two halves, but with one corridor, like in a hostel. In one half, men are standing and talking, and in the other, women are sitting at a large table, all dressed in dark, but not black clothes, in handkerchiefs, but they were somehow sad. The light is on in the room, and there is nothing on the table, but mostly fruits in vases and even wine. Some woman escorted me to the head of the table, at the end. I sat down for a bit and left. The dream ended, I woke up, but everything was like in reality and I began to analyze this dream. I realized what was revealed to me. The fact is that when we pray for our relatives in the church, give them little notes, put candles, then they have a holiday there too. A candle is a chandelier above the table. The food put on the eve in the temple, even in the form of a small candy, is also their festive meal. The Repose Notes gather them all for their feast. But I was tormented by one question: why were they sitting so sad? And then I realized that this was because I left the memorial service in the temple. If I had stayed, they would have had fun too. Since then, I have tried to always stay at the memorial service. And I also realized that our two worlds (the world of the living and the world of the dead) are very closely connected and are literally next to each other. After all, it is not for nothing that it is said that the soul does not die, but passes into the OTHER WORLD! Much has been written about this by the holy fathers, read and there will be no questions. And even earlier, the LORD Himself told us about this when He came into this world: “According to your faith, so be it to you!”
Victor
"...according to your faith, and let it be unto you..." That's right. Life does not accept death. And no one will ever be able to prove the existence of life after death. Clinical death is not death, brain activity exists. It is the brain that draws all those pictures that we have imagined millions of times. If a person in a state of cell / cm sees himself, it’s just that the brain draws a picture of the ward, doctors, beds and slips himself there like in Photoshop. Everyone has heard about the tunnel thousands of times, the light at the end of the tunnel is also the activity of brain structures. Relatives come in a dream, so this is a dream, only during sleep the cunning brain convinces us that this is not a dream, but reality, and we are glad of such a meeting and convince ourselves that it was real. For me, personally, with my very bad sleep (due to health reasons, there is no deep sleep, always only a nap), what kind of nonsense does not dream of from nightmares to comedies, how the brain manages to create a film with “incomprehensible” bells and whistles, metamorphoses ... It bothers me, because I see these dreams while sitting at a meeting (I can speak in a dream), and standing in public transport holding on to the handrail, once I drove my car into another one in front ...
In general, all this is the activity of the brain, based on existing knowledge. And this knowledge - information that we don’t even perceive (we skip past our ears) - is a huge amount, the whole universe. Here we give out wishful thinking. I, too, could talk about how I was in paradise and I was sure that this was all happening in reality. However, it was a dream. And I saw UFOs in my fleeting visions more than once. And why I saw it, because I see a lot of information on this topic, and the brain draws! Of course, in fact, there are no UFOs or aliens, and there cannot be, by definition, and a meeting with them cannot happen in any way. Will you be able to meet with a microscopic living organism living at the bottom of the Mariana Trench with a lifespan of a few moments in your short century? Will you be able to understand each other by depicting him geometric figures, rice. DNA, talk to him in English…?LOTA
This topic is as old as the world. This topic has always been discussed and argued at all times. But only in our time have they come closest to it. Perhaps the world is already prepared to open the mysterious veil. If the soul were not eternal, a person would be born like a sheet of white paper, and then draw on it whatever you want. An no. Even in the same family, children are born completely different in character. Why is this happening? Isn't it because every soul already has some experience in the past? Think about it. We return again and again to evolve. The Bible gives us information on how and what to work on, what not to do, because it is a SIN. Such vices as malice, envy, adultery, pride, gluttony, greed, pride, etc. . And what can be opposed to this? In one word, it is to learn to LOVE in the very high sense this word. And then all these vices will disappear by themselves. Basically, it's about working on yourself. That's why we come to this world again and again. And there is such a thing as KARMA. This is a web into which we drive ourselves and must free ourselves. When having offended someone, a person cannot forgive us for this, when we are offended by someone, when we cling to something and cannot come off (our attachments).
Why argue when today there is so much information about it. These are transmissions - BATTLE OF Psychics,Olga
And I died this summer. We were driving home from the dacha, sitting with my husband in the back seat. My husband's uncle was driving, and next to me, my husband's mother ... a truck suddenly flew into the oncoming lane.
The husband and his uncle died instantly. I woke up in intensive care almost a week and a half after the accident. Was in a coma. I saw both my husband and his uncle when I came to my senses. We went up there together. There were many warm light without a shadow ... My husband smiled at me and held my hands. And then something pulled me in the middle of my back and I flew back down into the body, and woke up ... and my husband and his uncle, smiling, went on. I didn't know then that they were dead.
I was briefly shown the passage there ... but left here. Doctors pulled out.Yuliya
The fact that we do not see and do not hear messages from there does not mean that they do not exist. Maybe we are in different systems coordinates. Even here on our planet there are microscopic beings who do not perceive us as individuals, but only as a substratum. It doesn't mean that we don't exist.
Incredible Facts
Disappointing news: scientists insist that there is no life after death.
The famous physicist believes that humanity needs to stop believing in the afterlife and focus on the existing laws of the universe.
Sean Carroll, cosmologist and professor of physics at California Institute of Technology put an end to the issue of life after death.
He stated that "the laws of physics that dictate our daily lives have been fully understood" and everything happens within the limits of the possible.
Is there life after death
The scientist explained that for the existence of life after death consciousness must be completely separated from our physical body, which is not the case.
Rather, consciousness basic level is a series of atoms and electrons that are responsible for our mind.
The laws of the universe do not allow these particles to exist after our physical death, says Dr. Carroll.
Claims that some form of consciousness remains after the body has died and decayed into atoms face one insurmountable obstacle. The laws of physics do not allow the information stored in our brain to remain after we die.
As example dr Carroll cites the quantum field theory. Simply put, according to this theory, there is a field for each type of particle. For example, all photons in the Universe are at the same level, all electrons have their own field, and so on for each type of particle.
The scientist explains that if life continued after death, in tests for quantum fields, they would find "spiritual particles" or "spiritual forces".
However, the researchers did not find anything of the kind.
What does a person feel before death?
Of course, there are not many ways to find out what happens to a person after death. On the other hand, many people wonder how a person feels when the end is approaching.
According to scientists, a lot depends on how a person dies. So, for example, a person dying of an illness may be too weak and sick, and unconscious, to describe his feelings.
For this reason, much of what is known has been gathered from observation and not from man's inner experiences. There are also testimonies of those who experienced clinical death, but returned and spoke about what they experienced.
1. You lose your feelings
According to the testimony of specialists caring for hopelessly ill people, a dying person loses feelings in a certain sequence.
First of all, the feeling of hunger and thirst disappears, then the ability to speak is lost, and then to see. Hearing and touch usually last longer, but then they disappear.
2. You may feel like you are dreaming.
Near-death survivors were asked to describe how they felt, and their responses matched surprisingly well with research in this area.
In 2014, scientists studied the dreams of people near death, and most of them (about 88 percent) reported very vivid dreams that often seemed real to them. In most dreams, people saw loved ones of dead people and at the same time experienced peace rather than fear.
3. Life flashes before my eyes
You may also see the light that you are approaching, or the feeling that you are separating from the body.
Scientists have found that right before death, a burst of activity is observed in the human brain, which may explain near-death experiences and the feeling that life flashes before our eyes.
4. You can be aware of what is happening around you
When researchers studied what a person feels during the period when he was officially dead, they found that the brain is still functioning for some time, and this is enough to hear conversations or see events taking place around, which was confirmed by those who were nearby.
5. You may feel pain.
If you have been physically injured, you may experience pain. One of the most painful experiences in this sense is suffocation. Cancers often cause pain because the growth of cancer cells affects many organs.
Some diseases may not be as painful as, for example, respiratory diseases, but cause great inconvenience and difficulty in breathing.
6. You may feel fine.
In 1957 the herpetologist Karl Patterson Schmidt was bitten poisonous snake. He did not know that in a day the bite would kill him, and he wrote down all the symptoms he experienced.
He wrote that at first he felt "great chills and trembling", "bleeding in the mucous membrane of the mouth" and "light bleeding in the intestines", but in general his condition was normal. He even phoned his work and said that he would come the next day, but this did not happen, and he died shortly after.
7. Dizziness
In 2012, soccer player Fabrice Muamba suffered a heart attack in the middle of a match. For some time he was in a state of clinical death, but was later resuscitated. When asked to describe the moment, he said he felt dizzy and that's all he remembers.
8. Feel Nothing
After the football player Muamba felt dizzy, he said that he did not feel anything. He had neither positive nor negative emotions. And if your senses are disabled, what can you feel?
This information is of interest to most people. Previously, mankind only speculated whether there was life after death, scientific evidence was provided by modern scientists, using the latest technologies and research methods. The belief in the continuation of life in some other form, perhaps in another dimension, allows people to achieve their goals. If there is no such confidence, then there is no motivation for further development, improvement.
No one draws final conclusions. Research continues, new evidence of various theories is emerging. When irrefutable evidence is provided for the existence of life after death, then the philosophy of human life will completely change.
Scientific theories and evidence
According to Tsiolkovsky's scientific explanation, physical death does not mean the end of life. In his theory, souls are presented in the form of indivisible atoms, therefore, saying goodbye to perishable bodies, they do not disappear, but continue to wander in the Universe. Consciousness persists even after death. This was the first attempt to scientifically substantiate the assumption that there is life after death, although evidence has not been presented.
Similar conclusions were made by English researchers working at the London Institute of Psychiatry. Their patients completely stopped the heart, and clinical death occurred. Various nuances were discussed by the medical staff at this time. Some patients recounted the topics of these conversations very accurately.
According to Sam Parnia, the brain is an ordinary human organ, and its cells are in no way able to generate thoughts. The entire thought process is organized by consciousness. The brain, on the other hand, works as a receiver, receiving and processing ready-made information. If we turn off the receiver, then the radio station will not stop broadcasting. The same can be said about the physical body after death, when consciousness does not die.
Feelings of people who have experienced clinical death
The best proof of whether there is life after death is the testimonies of people. There are many eyewitnesses to their own death. Scientists are trying to systematize their memories, to find a scientific justification, to explain what is happening with the usual physical process.
The stories of people who have experienced clinical death differ sharply from each other. Not all patients had different visions. Many do not remember anything at all. But some people shared their impressions after an unusual state. These cases have their own characteristics.
During complex operation one patient experienced clinical death. He describes in detail the situation that was in the operating room, although he was taken to the hospital in an unconscious state. The hero saw all his saviors from the side, as well as his body. Later, in the hospital, he recognized doctors by sight, surprising them. After all, they left the operating room before the patient regained consciousness.
The woman had other visions. She felt a rapid movement in space, during which there were several stops. The heroine communicated with figures that did not have clear forms, but she was able to remember the essence of the conversation. There was a clear awareness that she was outside the body. Such a state could not be called a dream or a vision, because everything looked too realistic.
It also remains inexplicable that some people who have experienced clinical death acquire new abilities, talents, and extrasensory abilities appear. A lot of potential dead people had a vision in the form of a long light tunnel, bright flashes. Conditions are very different: from blissful pacification to panic fear, fettering horror. This can only mean one thing: not all people are destined for the same fate. People's testimonies of such phenomena can more accurately say whether there is life after death.
Major religions about life after death
The question of life and death interested people in different times. This could not but be reflected in religious beliefs. Different religions in their own way explain the possibility of continuing life after the onset of physical death.
Attitude towards earthly life Christianity very disdainful. Real, true existence begins in another world, for which one must prepare. The soul departs a few days after death, being close to the body. In this case, there is no doubt about whether there is an afterlife after death. When moving to another state, thoughts remain the same. In the other world, angels, demons and other souls await people. The degree of spirituality and sin determines the further fate of a particular soul. All this is decided at the Last Judgment. Unrepentant and great sinners do not have a chance to go to heaven - they are destined for a place in hell.
AT islam people who do not believe in the afterlife are considered malicious apostates. Here they also consider earthly life as a transitional stage before Achiret. Allah decides on the length of a person's life. With great faith and few sins, the believers of Islam die with a light heart. Infidels and atheists do not have the opportunity to escape from hell, while the believers of Islam can count on it.
Do not attach of great importance matter of life or death in Buddhism. The Buddha identified several other undesirable questions. Buddhists do not think about the soul, because it does not exist. Although representatives of this religion believe in reincarnation and nirvana. Rebirth in different forms continues until the person enters nirvana. All believers in Buddhism aspire to this state, because this is how an unhappy carnal existence ends.
AT Judaism there is no clear emphasis on the issue of interest. There are different options, which sometimes contradict each other. Such confusion is explained by the fact that other religious movements became the source.
In any religion there is a mystical beginning, although many facts are taken from real life. The afterlife cannot be denied, otherwise the meaning of faith is lost. The use of human fears and experiences is quite normal for any religious movement. AT holy books clearly confirmed the possibility of continuing their existence after earthly life. If you consider the number of believers on Earth, it becomes clear that most people believe in an afterlife.
Communication of mediums with the afterlife
The strongest proof of the continuation of life after death is the activity of mediums. This category of people has special abilities that allow them to establish contacts with dead people. When there is nothing left of a person, then it is impossible to communicate with him. Based on the opposite, it is easy to understand that another world exists. However, there are many charlatans among mediums.
No one will doubt now the abilities of the famous Bulgarian seer Vanga. She was visited a large number of famous people. The prophecies of a clairvoyant and a real medium are still relevant and important. Many were struck by what Vanga said about life after death. This woman told her guests in great detail about their deceased relatives.
Vanga argued that death occurs only for the body. In the soul, everything goes on. In another world, a person looks the same. The seer even told what clothes the deceased was wearing. According to the description, relatives recognized the favorite clothes of the deceased. Souls glow. They have the same character as in life. Communication with the dead is not interrupted. People from the next world try to influence the course of events in the lives of friends and relatives, but this is not always possible. They experience the same feelings, trying to help. In the other world, the existence of the soul continues with all the former memories.
As soon as visitors came to Vanga, their dead relatives immediately appeared in the room. The interest of living people in them is very great. People like Vanga can see ghosts and fully communicate with them. She had conversations with souls, learning from them future events. The woman served as a kind of bridge between the two worlds, through which their representatives could communicate. The fear of death, according to Vanga, is too common among people. In fact, this is just another stage of existence, when a person gets rid of the outer shell, although he experiences discomfort.
American Arthur Ford for several decades did not tire of surprising people with his abilities. He communicated with people who had not been in this world for a long time. Some sessions could be seen by millions of viewers. Various mediums talked about life after death based on their own experiences. For the first time, Ford's psychic abilities manifested themselves during the war. From somewhere he received information about his colleagues who died in the coming days. Since that time, Arthur took up the study of parapsychology and developed his abilities.
There were many skeptics who explained the phenomenon of Ford by his telepathic gift. That is, the information was provided to the medium by the people themselves. But too many facts disproved such a theory.
The example of the Englishman Leslie Flint was another confirmation of the existence of the afterlife. He began communicating with ghosts as a child. Leslie in certain time agreed to cooperate with scientists. The study of psychologists, psychiatrists, parapsychologists confirmed the extraordinary abilities of this person. They tried to convict him of fraud more than once, but such attempts were unsuccessful.
Sound recordings of the voices of famous personalities appeared different eras through the medium. They reported themselves Interesting Facts. Many continued to work on what they loved. Leslie was able to prove that people who have moved to another world receive information about what is happening in real life.
Psychics were able to prove by practical actions the existence of the soul and the afterlife. Although the non-material world is still shrouded in mystery. It is not entirely clear under what conditions the soul exists. Mediums work like receiving and transmitting devices, without affecting the process itself.
Summing up all the above facts, it can be argued that the human body is nothing more than a shell. The nature of the soul has not yet been studied, and it is not known whether this is possible in principle. Maybe there is a certain limit of human capabilities and knowledge that people will never cross. The existence of the soul instills optimism in people, because they can realize themselves after death in a different capacity, and not just turn into ordinary fertilizer. After the above material, everyone must decide for himself whether there is life after death, but the scientific evidence, however, is not yet too convincing.
Ever since the dawn of mankind, people have been trying to answer the question of the existence of life after death. Descriptions of the fact that the afterlife actually exists can be found not only in various religions, but also in eyewitness accounts.
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Is there life after death - Moritz Rawlings
Yeh, people have been arguing for a long time. Notorious skeptics are sure that there is nothing after death.
Moritz Rawlings
Believers believe that. Moritz Rawlings, a cardiologist and professor at the University of Tennessee, tried to collect evidence of this. He is known from the book "Beyond the Threshold of Death". It contains many facts describing the lives of patients who have experienced a clinical death.
One of the stories tells about a strange event at the time of resuscitation of a person who is in a state of clinical death. During the massage, which was supposed to make the heart work, the patient regained consciousness and began to beg the doctor not to stop.
The man in horror said that he was in hell and how they stop doing massage - he again finds himself in this terrible place. Rawlings writes, when the patient regained consciousness, he told what unthinkable torments he experienced. The patient expressed his willingness to endure anything in life, just not to return to such a place.
Rawlings began to record the stories that resuscitated patients told him. According to Rawlings, half of the near-death survivors say they've been to a charming place they don't want to leave. They returned reluctantly.
The other half insisted that the contemplated world is filled with monsters and torment. They had no desire to return.
But for skeptics, whether there is life after death is not a statement. It is believed that each individual subconsciously builds a vision of the afterlife, and during clinical death, the brain gives a picture of what it was prepared for.
Life after death - stories from the Russian press
You can find information about people who have experienced clinical death. The newspapers mentioned the story Galina Lagoda. The woman was in a terrible car accident. When she was brought to the clinic, she had brain damage, ruptured kidneys, lungs, multiple fractures, her heart stopped beating, and her blood pressure was at zero.
The patient claims she saw darkness, space. I found myself on a platform that was flooded with amazing light. In front of her stood a man dressed in white. I couldn't make out his face.
The man asked why the woman had come. It turned out she was tired. She was not left in this world, explaining that she had unfinished business.
Waking up, Galina asked her attending physician about the abdominal pain that bothered him. Returning to the "world", she became the owner of the gift, the woman treated people.
Wife Yuri Burkov told about an amazing event. He says that after an accident, the husband injured his back and received a serious head injury. Yuri's heart stopped beating, he was in a coma for a long time.
The husband was in the clinic, the woman lost her keys. When her husband woke up, he asked if she had found them. The wife was amazed, Yuri said, you need to look for the loss under the stairs.
Yuri admitted that at that time he was next to the deceased relatives and comrades.
Afterlife - Paradise
About the existence of another life, says the actress Sharon Stone. On May 27, 2004, on The Oprah Winfrey Show, a woman shared her story. Stone assures that she had an MRI, and for some time she was unconscious, she saw a room with white light.
Sharon Stone, Oprah Winfrey
The actress says that the condition is similar to fainting. It differed in that it was difficult to come to oneself. At that moment, she saw all the deceased relatives and friends.
She confirms the fact that with whom they were acquainted. The actress assures that she experienced grace, a feeling of joy, love and happiness - Paradise.
We managed to find interesting stories they received worldwide publicity. Betty Maltz assured about the existence of Paradise.
The woman talks about the amazing area, beautiful green hills, rosaceous trees and shrubs. There was no sun in the sky, everything around was bright light.
The woman was followed by an angel, who took the form of a young man in long white robes. Beautiful music was heard, and in front of them was a silver palace. Outside the gate was a golden street.
The woman experienced that Jesus is standing, he invites her to enter. Betty thought she felt her father's prayers and returned to her body.
Journey to Hell - facts, stories, real cases
Not all testimonies of witnesses describe life after death happy.
15 year old Jennifer Perez claims that she has seen Hell.
The first thing that caught the girl's eye was a long snow-white wall. The center exit is locked. Not far away, a black door is still ajar.
An angel was nearby, he took the girl by the hand and led her to 2 doors, it was scary to look at her. Jennifer tried to run away, resisted, but it did not help. On the other side of the wall I saw darkness. The girl started to fall.
When she landed, she felt the heat, it enveloped her. Around were the souls of people, they were tormented by devils. Seeing all these unfortunates in agony, Jennifer stretched out her hands to and begged, asked for water, she was dying of thirst. Gabriel said about another chance, and the girl woke up.
The description of hell is found in the narrative Bill Wyss. The man talks about the heat in this place. A person begins to experience terrible weakness, impotence. Bill did not understand where he was, but he saw four demons nearby.
The smell of sulfur and burning flesh hung in the air, huge monsters approached the man and began to tear apart the body. There was no blood, but with every touch he felt a terrible pain. Bill felt that the demons hate God and all of his creatures.
