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Athos, Valaam. What is the president-pilgrim looking for in temples? Stanislav Belkovsky and Sergey Chapnin will discuss.
Russian President Vladimir Putin unexpectedly canceled several state events, and then showed up on Valaam on the Day of Remembrance of St. Sergius and Herman. Vladimir Putin was at the service, took part in the meal, congratulated those present at the ceremony on the holiday, "thanked Patriarch Kirill, the clergy, representatives of all traditional faiths for what they are doing to strengthen the spiritual foundations of Valaam" Putin asked the patriarch and other clergy do not forget about those who gave their lives for the fatherland, and pray for them.
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Journey to Athos, now a visit to Valaam. The president's pilgrimages are becoming more and more frequent. What is the head of a secular state looking for in the churches of the ROC-MP? What kind of holiness does Putin want to publicly partake of? How does Patriarch Kirill influence the authorities?
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Russian President Vladimir Putin unexpectedly canceled several state events, and then showed up on Valaam on the Day of Remembrance of St. Sergius and Herman. Vladimir Putin was at the service, took part in the meal, congratulated those present at the ceremony on the holiday, "thanked Patriarch Kirill, the clergy, representatives of all traditional faiths for what they are doing to strengthen the spiritual foundations of Valaam" Putin asked the patriarch and other clergy do not forget about those who gave their lives for the fatherland, and pray for them.
Sergei Chapnini and Satnislav Belkovsky
Journey to Athos, now a visit to Valaam. The president's pilgrimages are becoming more and more frequent. What is the head of a secular state looking for in the churches of the ROC-MP? What kind of holiness does Putin want to publicly partake of? How does Patriarch Kirill influence the authorities?
The role of Orthodoxy in the life of the Putin regime will be discussed by a political scientist, in the distant past, the founder of the organization Orthodox Action Corporation (KPD) and a church journalist Sergei Chapnin- in the recent past, executive editor of the Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate.
Leads the transfer Mikhail Sokolov.
Mikhail Sokolov: Today in our Moscow studio, political scientist Stanislav Belkovsky, in the distant past, the founder of the Corporation for Orthodox Action (KPD) and church journalist Sergei Chapnin- in the recent past, executive editor of the Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate. We talk about what Putin did and how things are in relations with the church.
On July 6, Vladimir Putin canceled his planned visits to Altai, Yakutia, Novgorod, disappeared from the screens, and on July 10, the president appeared on Valaam Island on the Day of Remembrance of St. Sergius and Herman, thanked the Patriarch of All Russia, clergymen, representatives of all traditional faiths for they do to strengthen the spiritual foundations, asked to pray for those who gave their lives for the fatherland.
There was a visit to Athos, now to Valaam. The president's pilgrimages are becoming more and more frequent. What is he looking for in the churches of the Moscow Patriarchy? Who are Sergius and German, to whom Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin rushed so?
Sergei Chapnin: Let's start with the fact that calling this visit a pilgrimage is still not very correct. The fact is that the president spends his time at his residence, at his dacha and simply visits the church located next to his dacha. It would be correct to call it that.
Mikhail Sokolov: Where is the dacha?
Sergei Chapnin: There, on Valaam.
Mikhail Sokolov: Or where Winter's house is?
Winter's house is an ordinary hotel.
Mikhail Sokolov: That is, it is on Valaam itself that Vladimir Putin has a dacha?
Helicopters hang in huge numbers there, there are marines. You approach Valaam, it is immediately clear whose possessions it is.
Sergei Chapnin: On formal grounds, of course, this cannot be called a pilgrimage. For the patriarch, this is also not a pilgrimage, because he is the sacred archimandrite of the Valaam monastery, that is, the head of the immediate monastery. In his absence, the bishop of Trinity Pankraty manages the monastery, and he receives him. The patriarch has a residence, the Vladimir Skete, which is large, by the way, beautiful, of course.
Mikhail Sokolov: Is there a yacht there?
Sergei Chapnin: No, the yacht is not standing there, the Vladimir Skete is a little deeper. Therefore, the patriarch simply visits the monastery, where he is the abbot. The President comes to the church closest to the dacha.
Mikhail Sokolov: Okay, can you call it a pilgrimage?
Sergei Chapnin: This, in fact, is the natural behavior of a summer resident to go to the temple during a summer stay in the country.
Mikhail Sokolov: But still, about Sergius and Herman, can you?
Sergei Chapnin: These are the monks who are the founders of the Valaam Monastery. Today, by the way, this is not just a monastery, but a kind of monastic archipelago. There is quite a lot of construction going on there, there are several separate sketes, temples, a chapel. I would say that it amazing place worth a visit. The construction being carried out by Bishop Pankraty, in my opinion, is a wonderful example of modern church architecture both in the Byzantine style and in the Russian Art Nouveau style, in search of some new style, there are complexes, by the way, illuminated this time. Anisimov's workshops are probably the best church workshops today, without any reservations, one can say. Indeed, this is a group of architects who build magnificent temples. I am very glad that they have such a serious application on Valaam. It is being built all over the country, not even only in Russia. Nevertheless, on Valaam they have an amazing application of strength. It seems to me that the cynical or scornful tone towards Valaam is not very fair. Let's offer a calm analysis.
Mikhail Sokolov: Stanislav, do you think there is a hierarchy of holy places, say, Valaam goes first or Solovki is the first place to go?
In principle, Sergey will answer this question, in his presence it is not very convenient for me to comment. Of course, it exists, but I'm not such a big expert in this matter. Whether it exists in relation to Vladimir Putin is another question. I have been watching the president for the last 16 years and have come to the conclusion that his system of religious beliefs is a kind of bizarre fusion of Orthodoxy and paganism, which is in principle inherent in the Russian people in general. All this ritual belief and other features are inherent in the Russian people. But for Vladimir Putin they are triple. That is, for him, Orthodoxy is a rather formal act than an actual one.
Sergei Chapnin: It seems to me that formal, not formal, is quite difficult to assess. In fact, we can only evaluate the formal side.
I express a subjective point of view, nothing more. Perhaps I'm wrong. Therefore, really binding to places is important for him. The idea that you can just pray at home or go outside to pray is not close to him.
Mikhail Sokolov: Or no photography.
He needs to become attached to some holy places, of course, among which is, as Sergey rightly said, Valaam. This is very important for him, he must be in these places. The fact that you serve the Lord every day and pray to him several times a day, no matter where you are, this logic, it seems to me, is not quite close. Russian President. So he tries to be in the epicenters Orthodox faith, which seem to him sacred, which are partly sacred, but outside of them he does not feel Orthodox.
Sergei Chapnin: Indeed, a hierarchy of holy places certainly exists. It was formed more historically than in any other way, the historical nature of folding is probably obvious, on the one hand, and on the other hand, each person has some tradition of visiting certain places, including saints. I do not think that it is necessary to speak first of all of the saints, and then some others. No, it's a part. Why Valaam? I ask myself this question. Strangely enough, I don't have such a clear answer as to whether this is connected with St. Sergius and Herman of Valaam. Hardly.
Mikhail Sokolov: Or maybe this is due to the fact, excuse me, you will again say scurrilousness, such a VIP zone has developed not far from St. Petersburg. Previously, in the 19th century, it was possible to comfortably make a pilgrimage on a steamboat directly from St. Petersburg along the Neva to Valaam, and now you can ride with a breeze, some on the Meteor, and some on a yacht can pass along Ladoga. That is such a convenient route. Maybe that's important too?
Sergei Chapnin: Since we have already talked about the dacha character of the situation itself, I think, just in this case.
Sometimes secular, sometimes spiritual, this is the spiritual dacha of Vladimir Putin.
Sergei Chapnin: Quite right, I agree here.
Mikhail Sokolov: I looked at some historical analogies. For example, there were two emperors on Valaam, Alexander I and Alexander II. You can still talk about Alexander Pavlovich. Alexander I visited Valaam in such sad thoughts, he was already ill by that time - this is 1819, still far from death, but he already had some thoughts about the eternal.
Rather not sick, but preparing to leave.
Mikhail Sokolov: So you believe in elders? But I don't believe.
I believe. I can talk on this topic for hours, but we don't have that kind of air time.
Mikhail Sokolov: We will dedicate a special program about Elder Fyodor Kuzmich and give you the floor. But Alexander II visited a couple of years before the decision to abolish serfdom was made, and perhaps there is also such a historical hint. What would you choose, what story would you tie to Putin - illness and thoughts about the eternal, or thoughts about reforms in Russia?
Rather the first, but with reservations. Because Vladimir Putin solves only one problem - forcing the West to love. I apologize for repeating this 127 times.
Mikhail Sokolov: I do not mind.
But it is so. He just prays that his plans come true, that's all. The cancellations of meetings last week may be related to his state of health, they may not be related, but in any case they are related to one thing that Vladimir Vladimirovich is no longer interested in domestic politics.
Any Subject domestic policy for him it's rubbish. He is not afraid to cancel some domestic political trip or meeting, because he does not consider the people he meets with at all. But these people themselves provoked him to this. They themselves positioned themselves as absolutely obedient slaves, who were ready to wallow at the feet and in the ashes of the president, so they have to put up with the fact that he is a little tired, all meetings will be canceled. Or he changed his mind. That is, there are no political reasons cancellation of these meetings, there are simply personal subjective reasons. A person who is absolutely tired of meaningless activity. That he will meet with the governor, put yourself in his place, and what will change? The governor will obey him less, obey him more?
Mikhail Sokolov: The governor will be re-elected or not re-elected.
It doesn't matter to Putin at all.
Mikhail Sokolov: Nevertheless, he meets with those who go to the polls, listens, mumbles.
When we see his face at these meetings, we see how much it is not something that is indifferent, but how tired he is of all this, how much he does not care, sorry for the vulgarism on the air.
Mikhail Sokolov: That is, this is an escape from civilization, it turns out?
This is not an escape from civilization, but an absolute abolition of domestic politics as an institution that worries Vladimir Vladimirovich. But this does not worry Vladimir Vladimirovich. You know, it's like the principal meeting with the students, what, the students will rebel or what? Will they re-elect the headmaster? No. Putin is engaged in international politics, he is interested in the outgoing Barack Obama, after Barack Obama there will be the next US president, he is interested in Angela Merkel, he is interested in whether she will be re-elected. And he intrigues on this subject so that she is not re-elected, he invests money in this process. We can talk about this separately, if there is time and desire. He deals with such issues. And the fact that all this small fry, tangled under his feet, wants to meet him, in extreme cases, she will wait. You know, there is such an anecdote when Rabinovich is asked: “Rabinovich, if you earn one hundred million dollars, what will you do with them?”. "I'll pay off my debts." "And the rest?" "The rest will wait."
Mikhail Sokolov: The patriarch, it turns out, will not wait, a meeting with the patriarch is needed. Why was a meeting with the patriarch needed, and a meeting with certain publicity at that? Certain words have been spoken, many photographs. So something had to be said to the patriarch. What to talk about, about the Pan-Orthodox Council, about the procession in Ukraine?
Sergei Chapnin: Yes, it's very interesting. Since, after all, meetings with an informal component do not occur with the president and the patriarch so often. Literally a month and a half ago there was a meeting on Athos, it would seem that the next such meeting should be at least six months later, when some events accumulate. Here, of course, it makes one think that suddenly this meeting took place, it was organized. The fact that the patriarch, as a rule, comes to Valaam on July 11 is a tradition for many years, he comes to Peter and Paul, serves in the Peter and Paul Cathedral, in St. Petersburg in the historic building of the Synod he holds a summer Synod.
Mikhail Sokolov: That is, he does not need to change anything in his schedule.
Sergei Chapnin: This is a fairly standard schedule of the patriarch, there are no special protocol deviations here, except perhaps this meeting. Here, of course, very interest Ask, but what is it that suddenly appeared for discussion? I think two big events are the Pan-Orthodox Council, which Patriarch Kirill refused to go to, and this was a rather harsh gesture towards the 10 local Orthodox churches that gathered in Crete.
Now a situation arises: the Council took place, these 10 churches continue to call it the holy and great Council, the Pan-Orthodox Council, despite the fact that four churches, besides the Russian one, are also Georgian, Bulgarian and Antiochian did not participate in this Council. The question arises: in what capacity will the Russian Church continue to recognize this assembly? For Orthodox world this is a very important question. Actually, there are three options: to fully recognize that the Council took place without our participation, we accept its results and the documents that were adopted. Accordingly, the other extreme is that we do not accept anything, we believe that this is another working meeting and the fact that documents were accepted by ten primates of churches does not mean much in the eyes of the Russian church. And an intermediate option: we accept some documents, we do not accept some, there are reservations, comments, but on the whole the situation remains working.
Apparently, if the patriarch needed it, if we are not mistaken and say that the meeting is somehow connected with the Pan-Orthodox Council, then I think that the position of the patriarch and the Synod, which will be announced in the coming days, is strictly negative: we do not accept Council categorically, we refuse to consider the documents of the Pan-Orthodox Council binding on us. Since this is a rather serious foreign policy gesture that the Russian church is going to make, it seems that we need to somehow discuss the various consequences with the president. I don't see any other major reason. Because even the all-Ukrainian religious procession, which, of course, also has a political dimension, Ukrainian politicians have directly and, again, quite harshly stated this, perhaps this is also a topic for conversation. Because everything that is happening, the attitude of the patriarch towards the Pan-Orthodox Council is rather negative, has significantly weakened the position of Patriarch Kirill in inter-Orthodox relations, in the Orthodox world.
Mikhail Sokolov: Maybe Vladimir Putin will advise him not to escalate, since he is in the process of forcing the West to love?
I would argue with Sergei in the sense that Putin perceives Patriarch Kirill as an attendant.
Mikhail Sokolov: As junior in rank?
There are no substantive questions. Whether the church participated in the Pan-Orthodox Council, whether it did not, is the business of the church. Naturally, if the Ukrainian church separates from the Moscow Patriarchate, it will be a big blow, and Putin does not want this, but he completely entrusted this to Kirill. This is a servant.
You might as well ask: why was Putin accompanied by security at this event? For the same reason, Patriarch Kirill accompanied him, because according to the ritual this is necessary. Putin is a man who is absolutely devoted to rituals, he believes that ritual is the most important part of anyone's stability. If he went to Valaam to the monastery on the day of Peter and Paul, how could he do without the patriarch. But in principle, functionally, he could absolutely do without it. That is, Patriarch Kirill, unlike the previous Patriarch Alexy, for the President of Russia is component its attendants.
Mikhail Sokolov: So it's part of the nomenclature?
No, it's a little different. The nomenklatura is what you listen to, which has a certain political and intellectual subjectivity.
Mikhail Sokolov: Is there a nomenclature in modern Russia?
Yes, the nomenklatura consists of Putin's closest friends, although there are fewer and fewer people who are able to influence the president, who has pupated himself in his own understanding that he is God's anointed one.
This is akin to a high-ranking security officer. We need a patriarch - well, let it be. This is how it should be according to the instructions, it is written that the patriarch should be at the event - well, no questions asked.
Mikhail Sokolov: Offend.
Sergei Chapnin: No, I don't agree. It is very interesting if we saw footage from the chronicle, the broadcast of yesterday's divine service was conducted on the Orthodox TV channel Soyuz, there is very interesting point. The president goes out somewhere in the crowd and takes communion with the people - this is a very interesting touch, I have never seen anything like it.
Mikhail Sokolov: What does it mean?
Sergei Chapnin: He has the opportunity, and I understand he uses it regularly, to take communion at the altar, away from cameras, away from reporters, some privacy, privacy. Whether the president takes communion or not is a matter of his private personal choice, it did not happen publicly. There used to be textual news that the president prayed and took communion at the service, as far as I remember, usually this news came from Valaam, no one else allowed himself to write about what personal choice the president made at this service. We see a completely new situation: the president does not just go out and take communion with the people - this is shown on the broadcast. And then it starts very interesting story, dozens of media outlets write about this, using two verbs - prayed and took communion.
Mikhail Sokolov: That is, this demonstrative declaration of oneself Orthodox in the full sense of the word, a political gesture?
Sergei Chapnin: At first I thought that there really are attempts to construct new elements of the president's image. But there is a very interesting twist. There is such a site "Pravoslavie.ru" of the Sretensky Monastery, they also wrote the news that the president had prayed and received communion. This news was removed from the site, while it remained on other sites. It is possible that this is an accident and a leak, somewhere they managed to remove it, somewhere they did not have time to remove it or did not want to.
But in any case, the public acceptance of the sacrament of the Orthodox Church by the president is something completely new. What does it say? I think that this is a gesture of internal politics, it is a gesture addressed to the people. He was clearly heard, many lay people, clergy put links in their blogs, on social networks to these messages and said: look, here is confirmation that our president is Orthodox, we see how he takes communion, this is evidenced by the media.
Mikhail Sokolov: Stanislav, you yourself once wrote: Orthodox politicians will save Russia. Here you are, Orthodox politician Vladimir Putin.
I stand by this opinion absolutely. In my understanding, Orthodoxy does not require demonstrative gestures.
Mikhail Sokolov: Then I'll use your phrase and throw you a quote. Andrei Zubov, a historian, just today recalled the details of the imperial visit of 1818: “In the Valaam monastery, Alexander Pavlovich stood for the entire monastery long evening service, talked for a long time over tea with one of the elders, and at 4 in the morning alone, without the retinue that was on his journey numbered only a few people, the first was on the porch at the doors of the cathedral, waiting for the start of a new service. A lot has changed in two hundred years."
Since I studied Alexander Pavlovich and his era a lot, I can say that Alexander Pavlovich fell into absolute Christian mysticism when he defeated Napoleon. In early September 1912, most of Alexander Pavlovich's entourage, including the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna and Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich, his younger brother, appealed to him to surrender to Napoleon, because there was no chance of winning the war. At this moment, Alexander Pavlovich refused to surrender to Napoleon, contrary to his character, he was a cunning and sophisticated politician, but not a fighter. And suddenly, unexpectedly, he proved himself a fighter, did not surrender to Napoleon. He still had no chance of winning, so the war, despite the lack of a chance, was won.
And on December 31, 1812, Alexander Pavlovich issued a manifesto on the end of the war, in which he said that it was not the Russian people and not the emperor who won this war, but only the Lord God. From that moment began the movement to Fyodor Kuzmich. And Alexander Pushkin in "The Bronze Horseman" wrote very correctly: "The late sovereign ruled us," when he said that "the kings cannot control the divine element," a flood. It seems to me that it was the departure of Alexander Pavlovich in Taganrog - this is my subjective point of view. Therefore, Alexander Pavlovich very consistently followed the path of becoming Fyodor Kuzmich.
Mikhail Sokolov: Where does it go Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin?
I do not rule out that there, you will laugh at me.
Mikhail Sokolov: Many years ago, you promised us his resignation and leaving for the Olympic Committee. I can remember a lot of funny things.
I promised a lot. I promised that Yanukovych would run away, I promised two revolutions in Ukraine, both took place. I promised differently.
Mikhail Sokolov: Not everything came true.
But something that no one predicted came true, and this is much more valuable than what did not come true. The trend of where to go is psychologically very important for Vladimir Putin, he constantly talks about it: Russia will manage without me.
Mikhail Sokolov: But Volodin says: Russia will collapse without him.
This is the official concept of the Kremlin.
Mikhail Sokolov: The rod is the Orthodox king.
No, the king is not Orthodox. Here comes the personification of power. This is not the same as the Orthodox Tsar - these are completely different things.
Sergei Chapnin: Here we must return that we do not understand what kind of religiosity Putin is.
Mikhail Sokolov: The Orthodox oligarch Pugachev says, among other things, that Putin is an atheist, and all this is tinsel and ritualism.
Sergei Chapnin: I really liked the detailed idea about religious tradition that Vladimir Putin said at the end of 2011 at a meeting with his confidants. This transcript hung on the Kremlin's website, where he begins by repeating the well-known thesis that the moral code of the builder of communism is from the Koran and from the Bible. And then he says very interesting words, apparently, it is not very clear whether he was asked this question or he suddenly remembered this topic on occasion. He says: “Here they say that the mausoleum with the body of Lenin is something that does not correspond to our tradition. How does it not correspond to our tradition? Go to Athos, go to the Pskov-Caves Monastery, and you will see that all this corresponds to our traditions".
Mikhail Sokolov: He is just a blasphemer in this case, comparing saints with a villain.
Sergei Chapnin: And then he says very interesting words. He says that "this corresponds to our tradition, and the Bolsheviks carried out the interception of tradition, they did it effectively, in accordance with the needs of their time." It seems to me that this is one of the key phrases for understanding how he thinks.
Mikhail Sokolov: Do you mean to say that today he also intercepts traditions?
Sergei Chapnin: Certainly, because it is a very characteristic verb. To say that this is an interception is not easy to say, you need to think about it a lot.
Mikhail Sokolov: What will the political strategist say?
A retired political strategist will say the following. I have repeatedly stated, but nevertheless, I will say it again, Putin's psychology is very accurately described in Sigmund Freud's book "Beyond the Pleasure Principle". As Gustav Jung said, any neurosis is a contradiction between the conscious and the unconscious.
Putin's conscious position is guarding, he always defends the system he serves, be it the Soviet system, be it Anatoly Sobchak's mayor's office, be it today's Russia. Unconsciously, Putin proceeds from the notion that all the powerful leaps in his career were due to the collapse of the system he served.
Mikhail Sokolov: The failure of Sobchak in the elections?
First director of the House of Culture in Dresden, Soviet Union disintegrates, he is the first deputy mayor of St. Petersburg and in fact the owner of the city, since Anatoly Sobchak mainly dealt with virtual issues, and Vladimir Vladimirovich dealt with real ones.
Now let's go to the third stage. This third phase began in March 2014 with the annexation of Crimea. Unconsciously, he goes the way of self-destruction and destruction of the system he serves. Therefore, the continuity of traditions is external. It is clear that any Christian will never say, relatively speaking, that Lenin's mausoleum is good.
Mikhail Sokolov: Although there are perverts who hang icons with Stalin.
Sergei Chapnin: This is just evidence of a different type of religiosity, that we have a post-Soviet civil religion, where remnants, elements of Orthodox tradition and a living, natural, completely Soviet tradition, the direct heirs of which we all are. So it refers to a different type of religion.
No Christian would say that the Bolsheviks had taken over the tradition. They did not intercept the tradition, they destroyed Orthodoxy, Orthodox Church.
The destruction began much earlier - with Peter the Great, maybe even with the Nikonian reform. Since Nicholas I, it was forbidden to leave the official Orthodox Church, because nothing would be left of it. It is clear that the Bolsheviks did not break the Orthodox Church, it broke before. To say that the Bolsheviks promoted Orthodoxy or intercepted the Orthodox tradition is, of course, blasphemy in its purest form.
Mikhail Sokolov: Putin called on Valaam to pray for the Russian pilots who died in Syria.
This is Freudian projection in its purest form.
Mikhail Sokolov: After that, 6 bombers attacked ISIS targets in Syria. Revenge?
Their patron saints pray for the dead pilots, the dead pilots have become martyrs, there is no need to pray for them. This is a projection - you need to pray for him, for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, because he sent these pilots to their deaths. The deconstruction of his statement says the following - pray for me, because the pilots died because of me.
Mikhail Sokolov: That is, he talks about sin, it turns out, his own?
Yes. And revenge - I will repay.
Mikhail Sokolov: Here he gave.
No, it's the Lord God.
Mikhail Sokolov: Did the Lord God send six bombers too?
No, it was sent by Vladimir Putin.
This is an absolutely anti-Christian position.
Sergei Chapnin: This is also a very interesting touch, because, I think that in the system of relations, in particular, relations with the church, which the president represents, the task of the church to pray for him, to pray for the authorities is the main task churches, the main patriotic task of the church on the territory of the present Russian Federation. In order for the church to be able to pray, so that it has all the conditions for this, he does everything possible as president. Here the question arises, is the prayer of the President himself necessary? It's an open question, I'll answer carefully. But if the church prays for him, he can easily be distracted by state tasks, including foreign policy.
It is necessary to pray every second - this is an absolute manifestation of the Christian consciousness. You pray not in some specific conditions, not in the conditions of a solemn meeting in the Grand Kremlin Palace, you pray every second.
Sergei Chapnin: But here we are talking about a different type of spirituality. Of course, if we are talking about the Orthodox tradition or the Christian ideal, of course, we are talking about the fact that the conversation with God should continue every minute. Avoiding this conversation for any reason is already a departure from the high Christian ideal - pray without ceasing.
Mikhail Sokolov: Stanislav said about the role of the church that it should pray for the president.
I commented on this statement, but did not say that she should pray for the president. I said that the president called to pray for him, having carried out a projection according to Freud.
Mikhail Sokolov: Does the church offer itself, relatively speaking, as the heir to the ideological department of the Central Committee of the CPSU?
No, in my opinion, no. Metropolitan Hilarion a few years ago clearly formulated that the main task of the church is to receive state funding.
Mikhail Sokolov: But did she get it?
Yes. She does not propose herself as the ideological leader of the Russian people, which is very contrary to my position, I would very much like her to be the ideological leader of the Russian people.
Mikhail Sokolov: Are you for the Orthodox state ideology?
No way. It offers itself as a subject, an object of state financing. This is not at all the same as the leading ideological role in society.
Sergei Chapnin: I don't agree. The fact is that, of course, today the church does not formulate any ideological program, but funding cannot be obtained just like that. Funding for something. In my opinion, the situation is on a lower level: Orthodoxy is the main element of Russian identity, Russian identity, therefore, for the preservation of this identity, in fact, it receives state funding.
Mikhail Sokolov: Over 25 years of research by the Levada Center, the proportion of those who consider themselves Orthodox has quadrupled to 77%. 61% of Russians have not read the Bible, only 40% believe in God, and 4-7% regularly participate in church life. 67% of Russian women turn to magicians, fortune-tellers and psychics, 48% believe in witchcraft, 55% in clairvoyance, 38% of Russians believe in the evil eye and damage.
Let's look at the picture that is in front of us, the question is how the president was dressed at the time of the meeting with church hierarchs. I would never allow myself this.
Mikhail Sokolov: You said that he came from the village, from the dacha to the temple by accident.
Sergei Chapnin: Don't tell me, I suspect that this is an Athos vest. On Athos and in general in the Greek world there is a tradition, unlike the Russian one, a Russian priest can go out simply in a cassock, but a Greek cannot, because a cassock is considered underwear. The Greeks have a tradition of walking in such black vests over a cassock.
The well-known Russian political scientist and publicist Stanislav Belkovsky answered the questions of the presenter and radio listeners on the air of the Ekho Moskvy radio station in the Special Opinion program (video on July 11, 2016):
From last interview Belkovsky:
Belkovsky about the boycott of the Olympics and about the athlete Daria Klishina
As the saying goes, if you can't find motives for hatred, look for envy! It's just a colossal envy of Daria Klishina - they still wanted to get to the Olympics. It is then "in hindsight" that they will tell how they hated this Olympics in Rio and consider it a complete cesspool. A complete boycott of the Olympics by Russia is also possible - well, how else can we justify our non-participation in the Olympics? A doping scandal or the fact that we saw this Olympics in a coffin?
Belkovsky about Syria and the dead pilots
Putin hoped that Syria would become milestone in the way of forcing the US and the West to love, but this did not happen. And now this is such a project that you can’t win, but you can’t get out of it - because it would be a shame. Putin called for prayers for the dead pilots, but if I were in his place, I would call for prayers for those who have not died yet. Their patron saints are already praying for the dead, they have already become martyrs. You need to pray so that the rest do not die, and Putin should pray, because he sent them there.
Belkovsky on the situation in eastern Ukraine
Russia feeds the East of Ukraine in various economic and non-economic ways, including weapons, and from Putin's point of view, the very situation of the frozen conflict prevents Ukraine from joining NATO. Allegedly because we staged a riot in the east of Ukraine and laid down ten thousand corpses, Ukraine has not yet joined NATO.
Belkovsky about future elections
Medvedev understands that all parties moving into the Duma will call for the resignation of the government - after all, no one is allowed to criticize the president. So he strikes a preemptive strike: "Whatever you say is not true." And his general concept says that life in Russia cannot get better, because we live in the ring of enemies. And if we improve polyclinics and have money for roads, pensions and salaries increase, then this money can be taken from the security budget - and then American troops will definitely enter the Echo of Moscow studio and build a base here. This is the whole concept of the Kremlin now - we must abandon all progress, otherwise the American occupation.
Belkovsky on Medvedev and Putin
Medvedev's fears about resignation do not depend on elections and parties, but only on Putin. But it seems to me that Putin will not find such a more reliable person - absolutely devoid of ambition to steer something. Their relationship is almost biblical, father-son. Medvedev's ambitions are simple - to see out until that bright day when he again becomes the president of Russia. But in order to sit out, you need to “roll around” and dance the hopak as much as you need, like Khrushchev before Stalin. And then you can already take out Vladimir Vladimirovich from the mausoleum, but first you need to put him there
Belkovsky about football and Portugal
When Ronaldo was carried off the field on a stretcher, it already became clear that Portugal would win - because this was a scripted Hollywood plot. At that moment, the French team was psychologically demobilized - she realized that now she would definitely win. And the Porgugalia team, on the contrary, was mobilized, they realized that it was impossible to lose.
Football itself is a sublimation of war, in Russia football is underdeveloped, and that in order to compensate for its underdevelopment, Russia is constantly trying to get involved in a real war, which is not fashionable and does not correspond current trends, which involve resolving conflicts in a secular way.
Stanislav Belkovsky on "Echo of Moscow" in the "Special Opinion" program, video on July 11, 2016:
